Value-for-money midfield target suggested for Liverpool; Man Utd revenues rile fans
Man Utd fans discuss the club’s finances and one assumption is they’re just a money-making machine, Jurgen Klopp’s successor has been uncovered by one fan and Klopp’s perfect midfield target is suggetsed, all in the forum.
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How will Emery approach Man Utd game?
Like Wenger in matches against our rivals, Emery will doubtless be conservative. What that means is that he will flood the team with midfielders and our team will be on the back foot from the first minute as in virtually every away game since he arrived, we’ve looked scared. We were terrified against the mighty Watford as soon as they decided to have a go and I suspect nothing will change next Monday.Emery looks scared himself and that transmits itself to every player.
Against United at OT, we have mostly been terrible for some seasons now (apart from the Welbeck winner in a cup tie there a few years ago) irrespective of whom they decide to play. I remember one match, years ago, when Ferguson and his team were on the back foot after a couple of bad defeats. He played 7 defenders against us with rubbish like the Silva twins and Darren Gibson.
We were pathetic and lost 2-0. I have no faith that Emery knows what to do, what formation to select and cannot inspire any decent away performances. I hate to say it but think they will beat us by two clear goals next week.
Jeff
Jeff, this is a key game and will tell us a lot. I think your summation is probably accurate. United are very poor but the question is are we worse and I suspect we are.
I haven’t got a clue what team or formation he will pick and I doubt he knows himself. However United play I can’t see them not winning, we are away from home and we all know we will concede goals. I also suspect a 2 goal defeat in a game we should really be winning but won’t.
The Oracle
Lampard is the man
I remember when Lamps first came to Chelsea for 11 million and initially the fee was being questioned and called a waste of money. Fast forward to today and what Frank has done for this club on the pitch and now off of it. Now there is a living legend and long may it continue. Hopefully one day the likes of John Terry and Didier Drogba get involved.
Then you have the best of the best coaching defence, mid-field and attack as well as Jody Morris’s undoubted value due to his youth coaching connection with the club. What a team.
Chelsea1967
Pellegrini for Liverpool?
This is a player who we need and is cheaper than Fernandes!!
https://www.transfermarkt.com/lorenzo-pellegrini/leistungsdaten/spieler/286297
Liverpool fringe players set for run-out
This is going to be a fun game, I really hope to see most of the fringe players involved and I do hope they are ready to step up… A decent cup run would provide game time to the likes of Brewster, Lallana, Keita and others that need some minutes on the pitch…
It just scares me a bit to reshuffle the whole team but the fringe players need the time and our regulars need the time off, so there is no way around it…
NotoriousBingo
Next Liverpool boss?
Pep Linjders I like this man, this guy essentially replaced Buvac and there are lots of reports coming from Klopp and other people connected with the club who state this guy has the makings of a decent manager. Our next manager if Klopp doesn’t extend his contract?
Man Utd’s record revenues
Oh and we just announced record revenue… yet we spent less net on transfers (90M this summer and 60M last summer) than the previous 3 years and that is despite player prices skyrocketing each year!
How do people still think that the Glazers and Woodward have invested an even decent amount of money recently??
Sympathy for the Devils
Success off the pitch
Regarding record revenues, some have been arguing that if we are not successful on the pitch we won’t be off it. Well we’ve been struggling for 6 years with not even a glimpse of light at the end of the tunnel.
Conversely the financial success just keeps on growing. This supports the view that it would take decades of poor performance on the pitch for it to have an impact on our financial success.
MacGuffin
Mac – No I think people will start to lose faith pretty quickly now. If they sack Ole I don’t think there’s any fan out there who would be looking forward to the next manager.
happyhurling
Sympathy-Of course they have spent,close to 1bn the last few years since Fergie left.£89m for Pogba,£75m for Lukaku,£80m for Maguire,etc….
redblood
Mac – Yeah interesting. I suppose the tourists who come to OT in their droves will still see it is a tick box destination on their trip to the UK. Will it still have that attraction if we’re finishing 10th in the league though? I don’t know.
I guess if you look at Liverpool’s fanbase during the last 20 years or whatever, it hasn’t really shrunk. They just kind of went into hibernation. Did their barren spell have an impact in their subscriptions, ticket sales and sponsorship?
I know an avid Liverpool fan who’s 22, for example, supported them all his life.
(He’s from Brighton!)
happyhurling
Man Utd’s net spends
@redblood – I would believe that they have invested around 900m, however that was over a number of years… and does not include assets that were bought for high amounts and then sold on with no or minimal additional funds added in (like Di Maria and Lukaku for example). Below are the Ins and Outs and Net Spends of each season since Fergie left as noted by TransferMarkt (and some look inflated):
13/14: IN 77m OUT 2m NET 75m
14/15: IN 195m OUT 50m NET 145m
15/16: IN 156M OUT 102m NET 54m
16/17: IN 185m OUT 47m NET 138m
17/18: IN 198m OUT 45m NET 153m
18/19: IN 82m OUT 30m NET 52m
19/20: IN 159m OUT 69m NET 90m
Looking at that, we only hit a 150m NET once and came close to it only 3 times out of 7 windows; this despite us making record amounts of revenue and our team very obviously needing more investment then our competitors.
It’s all good spending 1 billion on transfers over 7 years… but if you sell 350m of those then you’ve actually spent 650m over 7 windows… around 93m net a year… or one Maguire and a bit of change left over.
If you’re happy with that spending then fair play to you – but I personally am not impressed at all.
Cheers
Sympathy for the devils
Man City’s net spends
@happyhurling – Below are the details for Man City for the same period mate:
13/14: IN 116m OUT 11m NET 105m
14/15: IN 102m OUT 30m NET 72m
15/16: IN 208m OUT 68m NET 140m
16/17: IN 213m OUT 35m NET 178m (the summer after us and City finished on the same points)
17/18: IN 317m OUT 91m NET 226m (the year they first walked the league)
18/19: IN 79m OUT 54m NET 25m
19/20: IN 168m OUT 69m NET 99m
Overall: IN 1200m OUT 358m NET 842m
City outspent us in 5 of the 7 windows.
I think the main difference was Summer 2016 after Leicester won the league and us and City finished on the same points but they pipped us on goal difference to the Champions League positions: They Spent an incredible amount of money over the following two years without really losing anyone (in the year they gained back 91m their biggest sell was Iheanacho sold for 28m!) whilst we bought a lot of mediocrity which stuck around and stank up the place and continues to do so to today.
City have 200m NET more than us over that time and that is not including the fact Yaya Toure, David Silva and Sergio Aguero (the bedrock of their most successful teams) already in their squads compared to us only having De Gea.
Think this clearly shows that City’s owners have invested more into the club when, in reality, it should be our owners investing more because our squad quality has always been worse!
Sympathy for the devils
Right targets are key
@happy – It’s not about outspending City, it’s about identifying the right targets to spend our transfer budget on and having a coherent football plan not only for the next transfer window, but the ones beyond that.
I remember only too well the outrage from you and many others the best part of a decade ago when I stated on here that our fans were being dumbed down in their expectations of what a top player is by the constant stream of sh*te players Ferguson was bringing into the club, and how it would hurt us badly in the long run.
We only have to look at what has happened post 2013 to see how profound that prediction was, simple as that.
Blacky
@happyhurling – Liverpools barren spell didn’t impact their success as a brand. Ed cited them as example of how you dont need titles to be successful commercially. You can also look at our 26 year barren spell. This is the problem, our owners dont care about titles and glory, only dollars and cents.
Not sure why you always compare us to City. City are not in the same situation as us. They are looking to strengthen a good team, whereas we have needed (and still need) to completely overhaul a shite team. What cost more, a home improvement or building a home?
MacGuffin
United a money-making machine
And that’s the key Mac, for the owners of Citeh it’s just a hobby and they want to be best on the field and win everything. For the gimps it’s simply a business, no emotional ties, just a money-making machine.
But Blacky’s right, it’s the players we’ve bought that’s the problem, not the money spent, and that stretches way back to before Fergie retired. I’m afraid he and his big fat brother brought in a whole host of sh*te players.
jm1502
@jm1502: info below mate:
Di Maria – 61m
Chicharito – 12m
Johnny Evans – 8.3m
Van Persie – 6.5m
Nani – 6m
Rafael – 3.2m
Angelo Henriquez – 1.7m
Reece James – 1.4m
In the same year we signed Martial, Schneiderlain, Depay, Darmian, Schweinsteiger and Sergio Romero… so if we had to compare (in my opinion).
Di Maria > Depay (SOLD is better)
Chicharito & RVP (combo) > Martial (SOLD is better)
Rafael > Darmian (SOLD is better)
We then got Schneiderlain and Schweinsteiger in which were required in the middle but we also sold Nani and Johnny Evans, two players who actually performed better than their replacements.
So, looking at it, we actually went backwards despite spending so much!!
Sympathy for the devils
Don’t really get all the talk about spending. Just look at Liverpool and Spurs. Both sides are years ahead of us yet have spent less and have a far lower wage bill. Money is important but its not everything. City and PSG have spunked billions between them yet neither side has got close to winning the CL. Utd fans should know building winning teams is about more than just money.
The problem has been blowing money on sh*te players in the short term hoping it gets us back challenging over night. Having no clear transfer strategy in terms of player profile and style of play. Appointing managers with big reputations in LVG and Mou and hoping they’ll guide us back to the top like Fergie did in his prime. None of that works if you go through 4 managers in 6 years. And that is where Woodward is guilty and why he should lose his job on the football side of the club.
The problem now is that money or no money, we’ve fallen that far behind, it’s difficult to see us attracting the types of players we need. I think it’s going to be a real challenge to even become a team that gets regular CL football again. Some people are underestimating how poor the quality and depth is in the current squad.
N1xer
@n1xer – Yes but both Liverpool and Spurs spent several years challenging for top 4 and accepting they might miss out whilst they are building their team. For one reason or another that has not been deemed acceptable for us. If the manager doesn’t make top 4 he’s fired and we have been looking to buy our way into challenging for the league ie a quick fix.
The pressure is already on Ole even though he has spent little and has to rely on youngsters. Will the club give him 3-4 years without top 4 ?
MacGuffin
Fergie had ‘pedrigree’
Fergie had pedigree when he arrived though, he had broken the Celtic/Rangers monopoly in Scotland AND led Aberdeen to a Cup Winners Cup in Europe. He was the British equivalent of Klopp when he arrived and Klopp was much sought after when he came to Liverpool and not just in England. So we did get a big name manager in when we got Fergie so I don’t think we can say that going for big name managers is a bad idea.
It’s about getting the RIGHT big name manager and that’s the issue. It’s the same as players, it’s okay to spunk a load of money on players IF they’re the right players. We just patently haven’t gotten the right players, or the right manager.
killyboye
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